JW's and Jesus Christ

[Kevin Anthony]

As all know I am rarely disagreeable, unless I see a point clearly, maybe I am not of the "concious class" in some people eyes, but to me, compared to the nominal Christian world, Jehovahs Witnesses shine as an example  who honor Jesus, and practice his teachings, and sayings. That said, I just found the Sing Praises (1984) songbook on my new Wttw. disk I got at the lit. counter Tuesday! I'm so happy, as I lost my old one! Yes, it's the simple things that are sweet.

[exjw55]

KA, so are you now going to stick with the JW teachings and view the SITS as just interesting reading?

[Kevin Anthony]

I guess I find myself in a place where, as you know, I have sincere doubts about some current teaching in the organization that may, or may not be corrected in my mind at least. The biggest one, for me, is the belief that there will be a wholesale slaughter of all who haven't responded to the message preached by Jehovahs Witnesses at armageddon. This of course is not as simple as it sounds, as not a few of my brothers and sisters have expressed doubt on this subject as well. (Many lands such as Saudi Arabia, and China for instance, will not gain a full opportunity to hear the good news about God's Kingdom) That said, I am neither a Bible Student professing a heavenly calling, neither am I a Witness who can accept certain things currently taught. I hope for the New World where peace, righteousness, and justice shall prevail. I see nothing in nominal Christianity worth a hoot, and I have no desire to join the Bible Students and consecrate to a heavenly calling. That leaves me with Jehovahs Witnesses, who on the basic level teach that Jehovah is the only true God, His Son is the first-born of all creation, that all things were made thru him. Adam and Eve were disobedient to God in the Garden, so passed on sin and death to mankind. (shutting out the possibility of an immortal soul, hence eternal torture) God in His infinite love sent Jesus to die as a ransom for mankind, the first-fruits being the 144,000, and the rest of mankind who shall recieve instruction and discipline in the New world. I know details vary, and some are convincing to me, but this is where I'm at, this is where I'm supposed to be.

[victormr]

Vict, next time you go to the KH, try this from now on: every time you make a comment try weaving Jesus into it if possible, then watch for funny looks from the brethern....let me know what happens

I go to every meeting. Jesus is mention in the meetings. JW'S feels happy to follow his example. We preach and teach about Jesus as the King of the kingdom.

WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES
 ■The ransom is Jehovah’s means to deliver humankind from sin and death.—Ephesians 1:7.
 ■Jehovah provided the ransom by sending his only-begotten Son to earth to die for us.—1 John 4:9, 10.
 ■By means of the ransom, we gain the forgiveness of sins, a clean conscience, and the hope of everlasting life.—1 John 1:8, 9.
 ■We show that we appreciate the ransom by getting to know more about Jehovah, by exercising faith in Jesus’ ransom sacrifice, and by attending the Lord’s Evening Meal.—John 3:16.

[WildernessVoice]

To Eva;

Now that you are reading the Sits you can see how the light got more clear for Pastor Russell.  In Vol I 100,101,"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. There is none other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved (Acts 4:12); and Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."-Rom. 10:13  1886
Now lets look at a book printed by the Pastor in 1897 Vol IV page 654,"Everyone that is called by my[Jehovah's] name: for I have created him for my glory; I have formed him,yea, I have made him." (The name Israel will then apply to all who are God's people.)-Isa. 43:7; Rom. 9:26,33; 10:13.[b][/b]
As you meet your new BS,s read Vol. I and ask is that Jesus. The read Vol IV and ask it that Jehovah?

Will look for your results with great anticipation.

As usual BQ, you fail to consider the context of Bro. Russell's statements, therefore you conclude he changed his teaching on Rom. 10:13.  In discussing the scripture itself, it is clear that Our Lord Jesus is the name by which all men will be saved.  In the fourth volume CTR is just offering a broader way to look at the scripture than was originally intended by the Apostle.

WV

[WildernessVoice]

The letter to the Romans is absolutely directed to the Jews and Paul states Romans 1:16 that he is not ashamed of the good news.
 

Paul's letter to the Romans was directed at the Romans, not the Jews.  Remember, in Paul's day the Romans didn't approve of Christians either, so the Orthodox Jews were not the only opponents to the Gospel.

What are the good news about !?

Gal. 3:8 - And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

What was the Good News preached to Abraham (before Jesus was in the world)?  That all nations would be blessed (receive the benefits of Jesus' Ransom sacrifice).

WV

[exjw55]

KA, I would say that's and honest accessment of your situation, It took me awhile, but now I feel the same way about armageddon that C.T. Russell did.

[bible question]

To WV;

Romans 10:13------------Here nine Hebrew printed translations of the epistle to the Romans use the name "Jehovah" or "Yahweh", for the reason that Joel 2:32 here quoted also has the divine name in the Hebrew text. I doubt the Pastor was privy to that.
But lets do something simple. Is Jehovah called a savior in the Bible? Is 43:11,"I, even I, am Jehovah; and besides me there is no savior." Lets think! Is there any other savior back then besides Jehovah? No! If you disagree please let us know. NOW this God who had an angel kill 185,000 enemy soldiers in ONE NIGHT saved king Hezekiah and the people with him. WHO did they thank as the savior,Jehovah or the angel?2 Kings 19:35  "were all dead" by who? 35,"the angel of Jehovah." How did Sennacherib do worshipping his god? 37,"as he was worshipping in the house of Zurich his god, that  and Sharers smote him with the sword." Who saved them? The angel or Jehovah who SENT THE ANGEL?  2 CHRON 32:2223,"Thus Jehovah saved Hezekiah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem. And many brought gifts unto Jehovah." Do you think that angel felt bad, no credit?  

[RR]

As you meet your new BS,s read Vol. I and ask is that Jesus. The read Vol IV and ask it that Jehovah?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! what a twisting of words and thoughts. My, oh my, you really are a Jehovah's Witness.

RR

[bible question]

To WV AND RR;

 Now lets put it together.  Jehovah sent an angel to destroy the enemy.  But Jehovah was given the credit for being savior, but he used someone to help by picking and sending that one to slay the enemy.
 Now, lets listen to John the Baptist. John 1:6,"There came a man, sent from God." We can see that a man is sent from God also, I wonder who it is?  It is not that bad a question for verse 19 rreads,"when the Jews sent unto him from Jerusalem priests and Levites to ask him, Who art thou?" They wanted to know who he himself was.  Verse 29 and 30 John says it is Jesus. Did Jesus disagree with John about being sent? Did he say I call the shots, I sent myself? John 3:17,"For God sent not the Son into the world to judge the world: but that the world should be saved through him."  WOW!  He was sent by Jehovah just like the angle to be a part of a saving work.   Obviously those who receive salvation with give thanks to Jehovah but at the same time realize that Jesus made it possible also. John 17:3;14:6.  Does the Pastor show some in this gospel age won't make it?  Judgement to come Start at r526 page 4,"During the gospel age is the accepted time for that. Luke 4:19; 2 Cor 6:2 and if anyone receiving an invitation to that "high calling" fails to make his "election sure,"it will be an eternal loss, one which can never,NEVER be retreived, though it should be sought carefully with tears."  As history has shown, during his life time many failed ,likewise after his death.

[RR]

"be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even in him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11  He is the stone which was set at nought of you the builders, which was made the head of the corner.  12  And in none other is there salvation: for neither is there any other name under heaven, that is given among men, wherein we must be saved. Acts 4:10-12

[bible question]

To RR;

It has already been shown Jehovah is Savior.  Is 43:11  And that Jehovah sent an angel to save Hezekiah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem.  Likewise Jehovah is going to save certain ones and he sent a man this time to do something that had to be done in order for Jehovah to save certain ones. Ans yes it is the only name given to a man in which Jehovah will save.  Go through any other mans name and Jehovah will not save you.  John 14:6  Watch how easy.  A human---------------Approaches Jehovah using the only name which can get him to Jehovah, Jesus Christ.  To the Father through the Son.  John 17:3 The true God and the one God sent Jesus Christ. The sender Is Jehovah God, that is who the faithful 144,000 and all people who attain everlasting life on earth at the end of the 1000 years will worship. Yes Jesus will be a ETERNAL FATHER TO THEM.  Life giver, because no one living would be alive there had it not been for what Jesus did, the will of his Father who sent him.  And Jehovah already is our Father and always will be and the only God for the living. No one will worship Jesus, if you want to do that go be a Batist or Catholic and Get Senneacharibs result.  And you laughted------Remember Lots two sons-in-laws, they laughted and lost their life. This is serious ,please don't laugh.

[sister1977]

"be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even in him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11  He is the stone which was set at nought of you the builders, which was made the head of the corner.  12  And in none other is there salvation: for neither is there any other name under heaven, that is given among men, wherein we must be saved. Acts 4:10-12

Amen.

[eva]

Hi all quarreling guys

1) Kevin - I also love so many songs also the new ones. In fact the songs reconcile me often with the "organisation" and I pray "forgive them " - "we are all imperfect !"

2) Vic - Individual witnesses do believe that Jesus is their saviour NOW . indeed God Almighty himself is the one who is liberating us from our sinful state- wether we have a celestial calling or not

3) Wv - thank you - so clear and good reminders - in fact I would have liked to hear some personal statements about the Gospel ! It was supposed to be humorous question !

4) Vic - I really do think that the Congregations of the Jehovas Witnesses are beautiful and very impressive. I love YOU. Peaceful and often sincere. But very sleeping. "Blessed be the humble ones ... conscious of there spiritual need"  I trust the Almighty God, our Father in Heaven the only living God to help and make his rules abandon on earth and in heaven - still to come

5) BQ - wow - do you really ? So again, what ARE the good NeWS ? !   

Good day or night or what suits you

Let us not provoke each other let us not argue over holy things
let us share and communicate and perhaps get wiser and more humble
 

[bible question]

To Eva;

Thank you for your reply.