Eternal - aiōnios - Jude 7 & Other Verses

[StvAce]

Hi 'Bible Question',

Thanks for the reply.

I have no doubt that many died in the flood, men, women and children. The question I ask you is will all these dead be resurrected or are they in the second death?

My understanding, following research and discussion with Bible Students and reading the Pastor's writings, thus far is that they are not in the second death and will get resurrected. These things are warning examples of what will finally be done in the final test to which you refer - at that point those executed will be in the second death. Some few may be there before that too.

As for babies and children, my friend and I were discussing this and, although not stated directly in scripture, how do we know but that those in the earthly resurrection who will be like the angels - not given in marriage etc., will not have children perhaps, we reasoned, and all babies and children during the 1000 years will be raised to adulthood where they can then make an informed choice.

During the Millennium could not Jehovah block the womb and prevent all from having further offspring until after the final test and, at that point when proven faithful, then open up the womb to allow the righteous to have children once more?

Also, when you said 'The Pastor doesn't blink' what exactly did you mean?

[bible question]

To StvAce;

What I meant by the Pastor,didn't blink was, He did not water it down,mope around it, told it like it was. Same when he siad,"[rejected nation]." And showed God foretold through Daniel what was coming by His degree.  1,100,000 DEAD!  Thats why this univeral salvation is the trick of you know who.

[Kevin Anthony]

As you have been told on here, and refuse to acknowledge (thus far), Bible Students do not teach universal salvation, they teach a universal opportunity to gain salvation, big difference.

[StvAce]

BQ,

I have no doubt that many died in the flood, men, women and children. The question I ask you is will all these dead be resurrected or are they in the second death?

And Kevin makes a valid point too.

I disagree with the BS, er, Bible Students - I am not sure BS is a good abbreviation... - in some matters, but I feel this idea seems pretty much spot on - unless you can provide evidence to the contrary?

[RR]

As you have been told on here, and refuse to acknowledge (thus far), Bible Students do not teach universal salvation, they teach a universal opportunity to gain salvation, big difference.

Amen Kevin. Universal salvation is the teaching that ALL will be reconciled to God, even Satan and the fallen angels. What the Scriptures teach is that ALL wil be given the opportunity for salvation. There's a difference!

RR

[StvAce]

For the Bible Students.

Will King David's son who died after his affair with Bath-sheba be resurrected, and will any of the Nephilim get a resurrection?

[RR]

For the Bible Students. Will King David's son who died after his affair with Bath-sheba be resurrected,

I would say "yes", he is covered under the ransom.

and will any of the Nephilim get a resurrection?

No, they were a hybrid, they are not covered.

RR

[WildernessVoice]

For the Bible Students.

Will King David's son who died after his affair with Bath-sheba be resurrected, and will any of the Nephilim get a resurrection?

Why would you think that King David's son wouldn't get a resurrection?

WV

[Broken2]

Steven states: At Armageddon I suspect that there will be some who may be thrown into the Second Death at that time, but I also trust that Jehovah will not sweep away the righteous along with the wicked. I don't think I can accept that many who may have had no chance to hear the Good News will be destroyed due to their ignorance - or because they are not baptized as Jehovah's Witnesses.

In Reply, Yes there will be some who will suffer second death but only those who have been spirit begotten. One cannot be condemned to second death until first they have been released from the first condemnation, the first death which all suffer because of Adams sin. The only ones presently released from this condemnation are the spirit begotten. Thus all who perish during Armageddon who are not spirit begotten will receive a resurrection.

That some of the righteous along with the truly wicked will perish during Armageddon we have no doubt, but keep in mind that in truth these individuals are not really righteous, their righteousness presently is based only upon faith. Faith justification unless vitalized is not actual or true justification, true righteousness so in truth they are still counted in among the wicked the un-justified class.

Remember there is to be a resurrection of both the just and of the un-just alike, the just are those who have received a justification to life, this justification they received following their consecration and imputation of the Lord’s merit or righteousness to themselves. Those who have not taken this step no matter what their faith or profession, no matter how “good” according to the standards of this world they are, are still un-justified, and thus still considered as a part of the wicked, the “children of disobedience”.

The world will receive justification to life in the next age when the ransom is applied to them; presently it is only applied to the consecrated, and this only for the purpose that these might have something of value to sacrifice upon the Lord’s altar, viz. their restitutional or earthly life rights.

When the world receives its justification to life the first death will no longer have any hold upon them, they will have come out from under this condemnation and will have passed over the first death, from hence forth they will be susceptible to the second death, a death from which there will be no further hope of any resurrection.  

[bible question]

To StvAce;

When I mention universal salvation, I don't mean Satan and the demons. Rev 20:10,"and the Devil their misleader was thrown into the lake of fire and sulpur, the same where the beast and the pretended prophet are." BLE

Here it is where it is so clear.   Rev 16:13,"And I saw three unclean spirits, like frogs, out of the serpent's mouth and out of the beast's mouth and out of the pretended prophet's mouth." Rev. 19:20,21,"And the beast was captured, and with it the pretended prophet who did before it the tokens by which he misled those that took the beast's stamp and that did reverence to its image: the two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulpur; and the rest were killed by the rider's sword that came out of his mouth, and all the birds gorged on their flesh."

This all happens before the 1000 year reign. Why, 16:13 is right before 16:16 Armegeddon.  My next post will show you why they are stuck and can't understand it.

[bible question]

To StvAce;

Ex 16:4,"And Jehovah said to Moses"Here, Iam going to rain bread out of the sky for you, and the people shall go out and pick up each day's supply on that day." So what does that prove?  Again, and I repeat again, was something NEW.  Oh how mankind hates change or new things.  Why?
Ex 16:8,"And Moses said,"by Jehovah's giving you in the evening meat to eat and in the morning bread to fill you full, as Jehovah hears your complaints that you are making against him-who are we? your complaints are not against us but against Jehovah."
Likewise when ever something new to them comes up, they complain, but don't take it personally Steve, it is against Jehovah not you or me that they have their issue.  The proof are those verses I used in the last post for John wrote, at Rev.1:10 he was taken to the Lord's day, which is the present time we are living in. And it all happens before the 1000 years began. As to who gets resurrected, I hope to make it there and then I will find out. 

[exjw55]

BQ, the "Beast and the pretend Prophet" were thrown into the lake of fire....these are symbols of corrupt organizations, not the people themselves.

[bible question]

To EX;

Did miss the part where it said,"misled those who receive the mark of the wild beast and those who render worship to its image." Rev. 19:20
"it tells those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the wild beast that had the swordstroke and yet revived." Rev. 13:14
"that they should give these a mark in their right hand or upon their forehead."  These are human beings, and Rev. shows those worshipping the image,"the rest were killed off with the long sword of the one seated on the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth. And all the birds were filled from the fleshy parts of them." 19:21   FLESHY PARTS OF THEM!  That is not the beast or false prophet because those two were thrown in right before this. "While still alive, they both were hurled into the fiery lake that burns with sulpur." 19:20 Then it says,"But the rest were killed." 19:21
13:2,"And the dragon gave to the beast its power and its throne and great authority."
3,"the earth followed the beast with admiration" 4,"And they worshipped the dragon."  Why would they worship the dragon?  4,"because it gave authority to the wild beast."8,"All those who dwell on the earth will worship it."  How does there name sit with God and His Son? 8,"the name of not one of them stands written in the schroll of life of the Lamb."  This also proves loss of life at Armegeddon before the 1000 years. Is there hope for anyone because it said all worship the beast.  Again trying to get you to understand the word all.  9,"If any one has a ear, let him hear." 10,"If anyone is meant for captivity , he goes away into captivity. If anyone will kill with the sword, he must be killed with the sword. Here is where it means endurance and faith of the holy ones."

[bible question]

To Broken2 and WV could one of you give comment to my last post?

[exjw55]

BQ, no one said lives wouldn't be lost at armageddon, with all the chaos and destruction going on of course there'll be!! But is armageddon the final judgement day....no! When I was a JW I used to think only God's people would be there and things would be all peaceful, Ha! Those who live there will have deal with the millions of mankind that are resurrected....many of them who were child molesters, gays, murderers, etc.So even if Jehovah did destroy all the wicked at armageddon it would only be a temporary thing!