How To Deal With A Alleged Murderer

[Bangalore]

How To Deal With A Alleged Murderer.



Warm Christian Love
Bangalore

[martyd]

another example showing that the wts are of men not god.

[Linda]

On the surface this letter appears quite damning. But...too little information is presented to make a fair judgment. When and under what circumstances were these acts committed? Was the brother a member of a gang in his youth? Were these murders gang related murders, gang on gang? Was he underage when this occurred? Was he at the time of this letter a mature man who has left all connection with his past as a youth? Is he a responsible and loving husband? Is this man now a mature and responsible member of his community?

All of these factors, and more, have to be known before a fair judgment of this letter can be made.  One sided conversations, which this letter is, are filled with unknowns.

[RR]

All of these factors, and more, have to be known before a fair judgment of this letter can be made.  One sided conversations, which this letter is, are filled with unknowns.

The unknowns are not important. The fact remains this person committed some serious crimes, crimes that may be still unsolved. His Christian conscience should dictate to him what he needs to do, as the scriptures say to make amends. What if it were onbe of youre loved ones who were the victims, do you just push it away and greet him with open arms because he is now your brother in Christ? True repentance requires restitution, to right the wrongs if at all possible. Granted some things cannot be restored, but helping to put the rest some unresolved crime can.

[Linda]

All of these factors, and more, have to be known before a fair judgment of this letter can be made.  One sided conversations, which this letter is, are filled with unknowns.

The unknowns are bot important. The fact remains this person committed some serious crimes, crimes that may be still unsolved. His Christian conscience should dictate to him what he needs to do, as the scriptures say to make amends. What if it were onbe of youre loved ones who were the victims, do you just push it away and greet him with open arms because he is now your brother in Christ? True repentance requires restitution, to right the wrongs if at all possible. Granted some things cannot be restored, but helping to put the rest some unresolved crime can.

Welcome back, RR!

Of course the unknowns are important. I'm surprised that an exJW would say they are not. Make amends, you say? How do we know what amends he has made or has not made? We know nothing of his conscience and what he may have felt or may have done to make up for his crime. If he had killed a relative of mine and was sincerely repentant I would forgive him. If he were sincerely repentant and also a brother in Christ there would be no question that I must forgive him. That does not mean I must have close association and have him over for dinner, no. But in my heart I should forgive and leave things in God's hands. OT justice is not what Jesus enforced but rather repentance and forgiveness and love and trust in God.

Without knowing the details there can be no fair judgment of the situation. Perhaps the poster who supplied the one reply should supply the whole communication in order that if we are to hang the elders we do it with understanding and not in ignorance.  

[martyd]

how does one committ several murders and is a free man?at face value it appears the cong. is shielding a murderer who has not been brought to justice.

[WildernessVoice]

The thing that bugs me about the letter is someone confessing to his elders that he had killed people but never been brought to justice.  That just does not sound genuine to me.  Maybe the guy had some sort of mental problem, and was prone to telling tall tales.  The letter also says the guy was caught smoking Marijuana also by someone. 

The guy is supposed to have made this incredible confession, which might indicate a truly sincere, and honest individual - but then they catch him smoking pot.  Yeah, right.  Maybe he's not as sincere as his confession would lead one to believe.

That makes me think there is something fishy about the whole thing...

WV

[PK]

The thing that bugs me about the letter is someone confessing to his elders that he had killed people but never been brought to justice.  That just does not sound genuine to me.  Maybe the guy had some sort of mental problem, and was prone to telling tall tales.  The letter also says the guy was caught smoking Marijuana also by someone. 

The guy is supposed to have made this incredible confession, which might indicate a truly sincere, and honest individual - but then they catch him smoking pot.  Yeah, right.  Maybe he's not as sincere as his confession would lead one to believe.

That makes me think there is something fishy about the whole thing...

WV

Yes, I think so it is.
 
Proverbs 18:13

13 He that answers a matter before he hears it, it is folly and shame to him.

PK

[RR]

Of course the unknowns are important. I'm surprised that an exJW would say they are not.

Now what does being an xjw have to do with my response? 

If he had killed a relative of mine and was sincerely repentant I would forgive him. If he were sincerely repentant and also a brother in Christ there would be no question that I must forgive him. That does not mean I must have close association and have him over for dinner, no. But in my heart I should forgive and leave things in God's hands.

That's good to hear that you are so forgiving, but repentance does doesn't absolve him of his crime.

Make amends, you say? How do we know what amends he has made or has not made? We know nothing of his conscience and what he may have felt or may have done to make up for his crime ...

OT justice is not what Jesus enforced but rather repentance and forgiveness and love and trust in God.

Restitution is not simply telling the person who was wronged that you are sorry. That is a starting point in most cases, but it is not restitution. Restitution is repairing - as much as humanly possible - the damage that was done to the victim's life plus an added penalty to compensate for the damage [Ex. 22:1, 5-6, Nu. 5:6-8]. Anyone who thinks that confession and saying sorry is enough has not understood the principle of restitution.

More than fifteen times the Old Testament teaches restitution for followers of God. Jesus confirmed the idea in the New Testament, even recognizing restitution as one of the evidences that "salvation has come to this house" (Luke 19:9). Not that making restitution can save a man or woman. Nothing we can do will bring salvation, except trusting Christ. But the Bible expects restitution to be the kind of thing you do if you follow God. It's consistent with all other teaching in Scripture. The reason we don't like it is not because it's unbiblical; it is because it is in total opposition to our pride. We hate to be humbled, embarrassed, humiliated. It goes against our nature. So, we would rather save our pride than make restitution. But the Word stands unrevised by our tardiness in obedience. The single best reason to make restitution is God said to do it. It's a matter of obedience (John 14:15).

Without knowing the details there can be no fair judgment of the situation. Perhaps the poster who supplied the one reply should supply the whole communication in order that if we are to hang the elders we do it with understanding and not in ignorance.

The letter in question is from the Society, the elders must have written to the Society in regards to the precedure, and what we have above is the Society's response.

[bro tom]

My thoughts are that the GB were more concerned about the marijuana use that took place after joining them, then they were the murder(s) that he has gotten away with so far.  Very odd.

Bro Tom

[serene searcher]

for a start smoking pot in my book is bad and if he was a full changed person hed no that it was wrong and not be doing it to start with, also he could be using the jws as a sheild to hide behind and not be realy what he says he is a changed christian brother,but then if hes comited murders and not been brought to justice for it then that is totaly wrong,even if it was when he was a young boy, but then like the sis says he could have done it wile in a gang been forced in to it we dont know and now a mature man but why would a mature man whos changed be hanging out with others who arnt jws at work or were ever smoking pot, no its fishy to me also and what if some woman is now married to thso murderer of lots of people and she dont even no it and he murders her or some one else close one day and it could have been stoped and avoided if theyd new, im sorry but its all totaly wrong in my eys if some ones done somthing so bad as that tehn they should own up to it or at least tell there wife to be,